Saturday, November 1, 2008

Prop 8--all about hate

I am sick at heart at the behavior of my community concerning California's Proposition 8 (which would repeal same-sex marriage in California.)  Yorba Linda is BLANKETED with "Yes on 8" signs.  They're everywhere.  And we actually have protestors--chubby blonde soccer moms and their chubby blonde children, grinning and waving and carrying "Yes on 8" signs on street corners.  Why on earth do they care about who somebody else marries?  Exactly what kind of intolerance are they teaching their soccer players?

Hallie read an article that said the lion's share of the money backing Prop 8 is from the Mormons, which just sickens me.  Of all the outfits to go all righteous and holy about the "sanctity of marriage"..."

Between the racism directed at Obama and this awful Prop 8, I feel weary of being a part of the human race.  You broards are all that's giving me hope.

14 comments:

Sonya said...

Verb, did you live in Aurora when Amendment 2 was passed here? It was an anti-gay rights initiative. It passed and then was finally overturned by the courts. So hang in there. We have an amendment here that, if it passes, will make a fertilized egg a person. Even an ectopic pregnancy. People are weird and their priorities are whack.

emma said...

"Why on earth do they care about who somebody else marries?"

yep. With all the horrors that go on in this world, why does LOVE get all the HATE?

vq said...

Dear sweet lord. Some prissy-sounding lady just called me to encourage me to vote yes on 8. I told her I wouldn't vote yes on that steaming pile of hate-mongering if you held a loaded gun to my head.

vq said...

And then she hung up on me.

Jilly said...

we don't care about gay marriage yet, we're still arguing about slot machines. the "stronger school, no new taxes" signs confuse me. without taxes, schools won't have the money to run, and if people want neat things like music and arts, taxes have to go up, especially since they've (the state) decided FAPE (free education) means that EVERYTHING and i mean EVERYTHING must be provded by the schools.

i plan to vote yes on the 1.2 billionish tax hike, because they're just going to hike taxes anyway whether we get slots or not. this way, voting no on slots and yes on taxes means a small hope of lowering the social ills associated with the slots issue. the old rich white men have informed us that it's not racist to only put slots in poor black areas and that we need to leave the rich white areas alone, because those are "family areas." i guess that if you're brown and poor, your family doesn't count.

once the slot issue is setteled, we'll get to the gay rights issues. i really hate people some days.

jilly

mavis sidebottom said...

The only thing that confuses me is why anyone would want to get married , but then I am a little cynical these days

Ded said...

I tend to take a long run approach to these things. Let the hate and fear mongering evolve and reach a peak, then watch it dissolve under its own nastiness and self-loathing. Like a skin infection, it seems to need a catharsis and point of eruption and this is far better than a long festering of ideas and behaviors. And for those outside the spectacle, you get to watch and take account. You can assess individuals, their strenght of numbers, their levels of cowardice or conviction. You get to understand better your own place in these matters. I tend to think the worst must be witnessed publically before any sort of change happens in private.

Jilly said...

you're assuming that these people have the capacity to feel guilty after they've behaved badly, Ded.

jilly

emma said...

"And then she hung up on me."


the noive!

Anonymous said...

Does it make sense that most people die fully convinced that they knew what was right? People don't change their convictions, it's just that some of them learn tolerance. And some of them don't.

vq said...

But that's just it. I don't claim to know what's right for other people. Like who they should or should not marry. I struggle daily to figure out what's right for myself, much less anybody else.

Ded said...

See, I do claim some knowledge as to what is right for other people. It was right that a majority of men learned is was correct that women have the right to vote. It was right when all too many white folk learned that equal rights and treatment for black folk was a good and necessary thing. Ditto for gay rights and marriage. Like Bert says, some will learn tolerance and some won't. That's fair but as usual, far too ambivelent. The point is, that people learn tolerance over time and in different ways. And that among the tools of this education are these public displays of raw feelings and the enactment of state and federal law aimed to change the situation.

Anonymous said...

Ded, this is exactly why my plan to partition the United States into as many mini-nations as necessary in order for people to be comfortable with their neighbors is necessary. There will be some of us with very small mini-nations, but at least no one will ever have to compromise a belief again. Each mini-nation will be its own little Taliban!

Beanns37 said...

Verbalicious, I totally agree with you. This morning on my way to work I saw some idiots waving those fricken signs near the onramp to my freeway, I wanted to run them over. What really bothers me are the minorities who are championing Prop 8; I mean, they've had to deal with discrimination, why would they want to discriminate against another group of people? If someone wants to be married, they should be able to do so. The whole argument of them having the "same rights" because of domestic partnership smacks of the "separate but equal" crap from segregationists. People need to stop hating and start working on their own lives.